Comments on: Appeals court allows Arce vs. Kaiser autism class action to proceed http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2010/01/30/appeals-court-allows-arce-vs-kaiser-autism-class-action-to-proceed/ Kaiser Permanente: Failure to Thrive -- A Managed Care Watch Web Site Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:27:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Admin http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2010/01/30/appeals-court-allows-arce-vs-kaiser-autism-class-action-to-proceed/#comment-47496 Admin Sat, 24 Jul 2010 01:41:29 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=252#comment-47496 Kaiser harms its employees all the time, and the reason I know this is because I frequently receive their horror stories. They don't usually remain employees after that, so only the happy ones continue to work there. Duh. It's a lot easier to convince yourself that everyone else is lying, than it is to accept that you might be contributing to the harm that is being done, or that the worst could happen to you, too. It's called denial, but the funny thing about the truth is that it isn't belief dependent. Kaiser harms its employees all the time, and the reason I know this is because I frequently receive their horror stories. They don’t usually remain employees after that, so only the happy ones continue to work there. Duh.

It’s a lot easier to convince yourself that everyone else is lying, than it is to accept that you might be contributing to the harm that is being done, or that the worst could happen to you, too. It’s called denial, but the funny thing about the truth is that it isn’t belief dependent.

]]> By: Lehna's Mom http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2010/01/30/appeals-court-allows-arce-vs-kaiser-autism-class-action-to-proceed/#comment-47495 Lehna's Mom Sat, 24 Jul 2010 01:18:34 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=252#comment-47495 Todd, Here is another one for you to read: http://stories.barackobama.com/healthcare/stories/193082/share Should keep you busy for awhile while you are providing excellent care at Kaiser. Todd,
Here is another one for you to read:

http://stories.barackobama.com/healthcare/stories/193082/share

Should keep you busy for awhile while you are providing excellent care at Kaiser.

]]> By: Lehna's Mom http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2010/01/30/appeals-court-allows-arce-vs-kaiser-autism-class-action-to-proceed/#comment-47494 Lehna's Mom Sat, 24 Jul 2010 01:16:38 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=252#comment-47494 Todd, And how about those phony arbitration judges. This was our "judge" in our case against kaiser: http://www.iswface.org/images/Judge-arrest-prostitute.jpg Todd,
And how about those phony arbitration judges.

This was our “judge” in our case against kaiser:

http://www.iswface.org/images/Judge-arrest-prostitute.jpg

]]> By: Lehna's Mom http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2010/01/30/appeals-court-allows-arce-vs-kaiser-autism-class-action-to-proceed/#comment-47493 Lehna's Mom Sat, 24 Jul 2010 01:14:50 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=252#comment-47493 Just a reminder Todd... this is another thing kaiser is guilty of: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-04-29-medical-records_N.htm Just a reminder Todd… this is another thing kaiser is guilty of:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2008-04-29-medical-records_N.htm

]]> By: Lehna's Mom http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2010/01/30/appeals-court-allows-arce-vs-kaiser-autism-class-action-to-proceed/#comment-47492 Lehna's Mom Sat, 24 Jul 2010 01:13:09 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=252#comment-47492 Todd, Really surprised to hear that Kaiser employees would never work at a company that intentionally would hurt people. Look up Andrew Brewer. He was implementing Kaisers electronic medical records as a FULL-TIME SALARIED KAISER EMPLOYEE, we were denied care, therefore our beautiful baby LEHNA JORDANN BREWER, Andrew's baby girl, died. He was a Kaiser employee and kaiser killed his baby girl. She was my girl too. Some care we got there. This is how Kaiser treats it's own! Surely something to be proud of Todd! Todd,
Really surprised to hear that Kaiser employees would never work at a company that intentionally would hurt people. Look up Andrew Brewer. He was implementing Kaisers electronic medical records as a FULL-TIME SALARIED KAISER EMPLOYEE, we were denied care, therefore our beautiful baby LEHNA JORDANN BREWER, Andrew’s baby girl, died.

He was a Kaiser employee and kaiser killed his baby girl. She was my girl too.

Some care we got there. This is how Kaiser treats it’s own! Surely something to be proud of Todd!

]]> By: todd http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2010/01/30/appeals-court-allows-arce-vs-kaiser-autism-class-action-to-proceed/#comment-47460 todd Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:12:33 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=252#comment-47460 @M.. I'm back.. I don't often have time during the day ( or the inclination at night) to surf random websites, but I wanted to follow this. My suggestion is to get a second opinion outside of KP ( asking member services for a copy of your son's medical records so the outside pediatrician can have all the relevant information ) At the same time, call member services and let them know the problems you're experiencing. I've had to advocate for care for my wife, and KP isn't perfect, but we're sure as heck not witholding care to save money. Take the time to email that doc on KP.org and he/she will respond.. they have to. Explain in detail what your issues are and they're required to respond quickly and with a plan.. not to mention that our docs are very caring people and WANT to help. Just remember, everyone who works at KP is a Member as well as an employee, and we all have family members as well. Nobody I know would even consider working for a company that was intentionally doing bad things to our friends, families, and neighbors. I just did a search of the directory for a pediatrician in bakersfield but couldn't find one, as I'm not familiar with all the facility names. Go on to KP.org and do a search for pediatricians in SoCal. I found a developmental pediatrician in bakersfield in about 1 minute. His contact info is listed and you can setup an appointment online. I really wish you the best. I know if it were my child, I would be distraught as well, and I keep coming back to this site because it bothers me that the company that has taken such good care of my family has let down others. my warmest and sincerest regards, todd @M.. I’m back.. I don’t often have time during the day ( or the inclination at night) to surf random websites, but I wanted to follow this.

My suggestion is to get a second opinion outside of KP ( asking member services for a copy of your son’s medical records so the outside pediatrician can have all the relevant information )

At the same time, call member services and let them know the problems you’re experiencing. I’ve had to advocate for care for my wife, and KP isn’t perfect, but we’re sure as heck not witholding care to save money.

Take the time to email that doc on KP.org and he/she will respond.. they have to. Explain in detail what your issues are and they’re required to respond quickly and with a plan.. not to mention that our docs are very caring people and WANT to help.

Just remember, everyone who works at KP is a Member as well as an employee, and we all have family members as well. Nobody I know would even consider working for a company that was intentionally doing bad things to our friends, families, and neighbors.

I just did a search of the directory for a pediatrician in bakersfield but couldn’t find one, as I’m not familiar with all the facility names. Go on to KP.org and do a search for pediatricians in SoCal. I found a developmental pediatrician in bakersfield in about 1 minute. His contact info is listed and you can setup an appointment online.

I really wish you the best. I know if it were my child, I would be distraught as well, and I keep coming back to this site because it bothers me that the company that has taken such good care of my family has let down others.

my warmest and sincerest regards,

todd

]]> By: Admin http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2010/01/30/appeals-court-allows-arce-vs-kaiser-autism-class-action-to-proceed/#comment-47426 Admin Mon, 19 Jul 2010 19:42:40 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=252#comment-47426 Todd probably won't be back. He just likes to hurl bullsh*t at concerned and grieving parents through the window of his passing car. Before you get that 2nd opinion, make sure you get all of the necessary authorization from Kaiser first, and follow all of the required procedures. You don't want to pay for it out of pocket unless you absolutely have to. Todd probably won’t be back. He just likes to hurl bullsh*t at concerned and grieving parents through the window of his passing car.

Before you get that 2nd opinion, make sure you get all of the necessary authorization from Kaiser first, and follow all of the required procedures. You don’t want to pay for it out of pocket unless you absolutely have to.

]]> By: M http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2010/01/30/appeals-court-allows-arce-vs-kaiser-autism-class-action-to-proceed/#comment-47407 M Mon, 19 Jul 2010 02:47:22 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=252#comment-47407 @Gerardo-thank you for that. I didn't even know I could do that. Well I knew I could try getting a second opinion if I could get someone to see me with me paying cash. Since I put that comment my son has only gotten worse. I called Kaiser to try to get him in to see a developmental pediatrician and they told me they don't have one, just regular pediatricians. I will check out UCLA. I don't even mind if I have to pay all the costs with no reimbursement. I just want some help for him. @Todd-I am not asking the doctors to diagnose him with autism. I never did ask him to do that. I only know what I see and I see there is something wrong with my son and I also see that I can't get a doctor to help me help him. I asked him to please just tell me what to do to help him, help me figure out what is wrong with him so I can get him in the right direction. He kept telling me that there is nothing wrong with my child because he plays something close to peekaboo. I don't know if you know about autism but it is a spectrum disorder and the doctor doesn't seem to understand that. If you know of a Kaiser pediatrician in Bakersfield, Ca that is willing to listen to my concerns, read my notes/journal, and help my child have some sort of life then please tell me who to go to. I just want some help. How can I go in there and get a doctor to do the diagnosis himself if he cant even utter the word autism? He flat out said he cant say that word. Is that something he is ordered to do or is that just a personal decision he has made. I didn't go in there telling him this is wrong and that is wrong. I went in and he asked if I had any concerns. He came to the appointment a half hour late, ok no problem we brought toys and breakfast so we waited. He rushed me when I was asking him for tips on how to get my son to eat and how to get him to brush his teeth. He even walked out while I was asking him what kind of stuff was needed for a journal. He walked out telling me that he had other patients to get to. I guess you are right I am asking for a specific treatment for my son, one that he "must" have, and that is that his DEVELOPMENTAL REGRESSION be addressed and not tossed aside before it gets worse. Which it has been getting worse. I read that you too are a parent. So I am asking you if your child was able to speak and reply to his name and do reach normal developmental milestones and then out of nowhere stopped what would you do? Go to a doctor of course. Then what if the doctor told you that there was nothing wrong with your child? Yes you may find it hard to believe that a doctor is withholding necessary medical treatment but it is happening. I have family that works for Kaiser locally and they even see it happening to my son. If you think that he is fine then I guess to you treatment is not being withheld. So do you have any other explanations that will help me help my son? I agree with you on patients wanting what they want and it not always being what they need. I have known of people that go in wanting pills just to take, you know what I mean, and they ALWAYS get them at the Kaiser here in our city. They don't need them they want them and they get them. I WANT help for my child and guess what I NEED help for my child. My son NEEDS help and I bet if he could talk or communicate with me in some way he would tell me that he also WANTS help. So I guess shame on us for not only needing help but wanting it too. M @Gerardo-thank you for that. I didn’t even know I could do that. Well I knew I could try getting a second opinion if I could get someone to see me with me paying cash. Since I put that comment my son has only gotten worse. I called Kaiser to try to get him in to see a developmental pediatrician and they told me they don’t have one, just regular pediatricians. I will check out UCLA. I don’t even mind if I have to pay all the costs with no reimbursement. I just want some help for him.
@Todd-I am not asking the doctors to diagnose him with autism. I never did ask him to do that. I only know what I see and I see there is something wrong with my son and I also see that I can’t get a doctor to help me help him. I asked him to please just tell me what to do to help him, help me figure out what is wrong with him so I can get him in the right direction. He kept telling me that there is nothing wrong with my child because he plays something close to peekaboo. I don’t know if you know about autism but it is a spectrum disorder and the doctor doesn’t seem to understand that. If you know of a Kaiser pediatrician in Bakersfield, Ca that is willing to listen to my concerns, read my notes/journal, and help my child have some sort of life then please tell me who to go to. I just want some help. How can I go in there and get a doctor to do the diagnosis himself if he cant even utter the word autism? He flat out said he cant say that word. Is that something he is ordered to do or is that just a personal decision he has made. I didn’t go in there telling him this is wrong and that is wrong. I went in and he asked if I had any concerns. He came to the appointment a half hour late, ok no problem we brought toys and breakfast so we waited. He rushed me when I was asking him for tips on how to get my son to eat and how to get him to brush his teeth. He even walked out while I was asking him what kind of stuff was needed for a journal. He walked out telling me that he had other patients to get to. I guess you are right I am asking for a specific treatment for my son, one that he “must” have, and that is that his DEVELOPMENTAL REGRESSION be addressed and not tossed aside before it gets worse. Which it has been getting worse. I read that you too are a parent. So I am asking you if your child was able to speak and reply to his name and do reach normal developmental milestones and then out of nowhere stopped what would you do? Go to a doctor of course. Then what if the doctor told you that there was nothing wrong with your child? Yes you may find it hard to believe that a doctor is withholding necessary medical treatment but it is happening. I have family that works for Kaiser locally and they even see it happening to my son. If you think that he is fine then I guess to you treatment is not being withheld. So do you have any other explanations that will help me help my son? I agree with you on patients wanting what they want and it not always being what they need. I have known of people that go in wanting pills just to take, you know what I mean, and they ALWAYS get them at the Kaiser here in our city. They don’t need them they want them and they get them. I WANT help for my child and guess what I NEED help for my child. My son NEEDS help and I bet if he could talk or communicate with me in some way he would tell me that he also WANTS help. So I guess shame on us for not only needing help but wanting it too.
M

]]> By: Gerardo Garcia. http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2010/01/30/appeals-court-allows-arce-vs-kaiser-autism-class-action-to-proceed/#comment-47372 Gerardo Garcia. Sat, 17 Jul 2010 14:48:04 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=252#comment-47372 For the lady with the child that does not speak. Get a second opinion take your child to a good place like UCLA, Kaiser has to pay for a second opinion, if your doctors does not refer you to UCLA file and expedite appeal, if that fail go to the State HMO center. It is your right to get a second opinion and Kaiser has to pay for it. For the lady with the child that does not speak. Get a second opinion take your child to a good place like UCLA, Kaiser has to pay for a second opinion, if your doctors does not refer you to UCLA file and expedite appeal, if that fail go to the State HMO center. It is your right to get a second opinion and Kaiser has to pay for it.

]]> By: Gerardo Garcia. http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2010/01/30/appeals-court-allows-arce-vs-kaiser-autism-class-action-to-proceed/#comment-47371 Gerardo Garcia. Sat, 17 Jul 2010 14:39:40 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=252#comment-47371 Very good, a friend is living a horror story with KP Neurology Dept. Most neurological issues are genetic mutations caused. And KP is the last place that will help, they do not even want to test for them. Very good, a friend is living a horror story with KP Neurology Dept. Most neurological issues are genetic mutations caused. And KP is the last place that will help, they do not even want to test for them.

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