Comments on: More Kaiser negligence will lead to less medical negligence, says non-Kaiser Kaiser doctor (or something like that) http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2009/09/04/more-kaiser-negligence-will-lead-to-less-medical-negligence/ Kaiser Permanente: Failure to Thrive -- A Managed Care Watch Web Site Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:26:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Wayne Rizzo http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2009/09/04/more-kaiser-negligence-will-lead-to-less-medical-negligence/#comment-46200 Wayne Rizzo Fri, 11 Jun 2010 22:41:07 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=249#comment-46200 Wow- I came here to get information before selecting a plan with one of the evil health providers...all I can say at this point is that WE are our own best advocates- because what else can you do when taking a leap of faith and trusting anyone, regardless of the service they perform- pilot, mechanic or doctor... At the end of the day I am looking to find the group that is farthest away from the For Profit model whom are apparently OK with 50 plus % cost increases as their general approach. These bastards have been shown to both potentially kill you and leave you and your family penniless...if I am unfortunate enough to be a health care statistic at least I'll have left my estate somewhat in tact. Worse case scenarios are no-win situations. Think I am going to go with KP and see for myself...the worse thing that can happen is that I see, thanks to sites like this, some clear warning signs and then bail out fast... Thanks Wayne Wow- I came here to get information before selecting a plan with one of the evil health providers…all I can say at this point is that WE are our own best advocates- because what else can you do when taking a leap of faith and trusting anyone, regardless of the service they perform- pilot, mechanic or doctor…
At the end of the day I am looking to find the group that is farthest away from the For Profit model whom are apparently OK with 50 plus % cost increases as their general approach. These bastards have been shown to both potentially kill you and leave you and your family penniless…if I am unfortunate enough to be a health care statistic at least I’ll have left my estate somewhat in tact.
Worse case scenarios are no-win situations.
Think I am going to go with KP and see for myself…the worse thing that can happen is that I see, thanks to sites like this, some clear warning signs and then bail out fast…
Thanks
Wayne

]]> By: Steve Wolfe http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2009/09/04/more-kaiser-negligence-will-lead-to-less-medical-negligence/#comment-44080 Steve Wolfe Mon, 05 Apr 2010 20:52:02 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=249#comment-44080 I'm sure all of the people reporting horror stories about Kaiser are true. There are pressures to contain costs, and cost-saving measures are not always taken in the most intelligent way. Nations with socialized medecine, such as Britain, France, and Canada has similar constraints. As long as one is reasonably healthy (like me), one can get good enough medical care for free. But if something unusual comes along, the system doesn't want to pay for it. My question is this: Blue Shield raised my company's premium 58 percent this year. I can't afford to pay $1,098 per month for insurance with a $4,800 deductible and $5,900 out-of pocket maximum each for me and my wife. No other insurers have less costly plans, except for Kaiser, which would offer lower decuctibles for $400 per month less. What would you do? Go with Kaiser? Or dig into my savings to pay for "spare-no-expense" medecine? I’m sure all of the people reporting horror stories about Kaiser are true. There are pressures to contain costs, and cost-saving measures are not always taken in the most intelligent way.
Nations with socialized medecine, such as Britain, France, and Canada has similar constraints. As long as one is reasonably healthy (like me), one can get good enough medical care for free. But if something unusual comes along, the system doesn’t want to pay for it.
My question is this: Blue Shield raised my company’s premium 58 percent this year. I can’t afford to pay $1,098 per month for insurance with a $4,800 deductible and $5,900 out-of pocket maximum each for me and my wife. No other insurers have less costly plans, except for Kaiser, which would offer lower decuctibles for $400 per month less. What would you do? Go with Kaiser? Or dig into my savings to pay for “spare-no-expense” medecine?

]]> By: Jenniger http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2009/09/04/more-kaiser-negligence-will-lead-to-less-medical-negligence/#comment-40786 Jenniger Sun, 20 Dec 2009 10:26:51 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=249#comment-40786 I went to kaiser for sinus condition. The doctor said it was turbinates, he recommended i not have surgery unless it was intollerable. I just kept getting sinu infectins over and over. I called Kaiser and the ENT office wold not call me back. I called member services and i finally got a call. They said the doctor wold see me. I went thinking this was to discuss plans for surgery instead I arrived and had surgery. It was the worst pain in my life he said it would be not even as bad as a cavity. He only sprayed by nose with numbing spray. I could hear him breaking bones while he did the turbinoplasty. I asked why he could not put me to sleep and he said we dont do that for this procedure. I went home and googled it and found this surgery it done under General anesthesia, it is at least done with sedation and lidocaine. Why would be put me through this I am in so much pain 3 weeks later and he didint to even give me motrin or ANYTHING for pain I went to kaiser for sinus condition. The doctor said it was turbinates, he recommended i not have surgery unless it was intollerable. I just kept getting sinu infectins over and over. I called Kaiser and the ENT office wold not call me back. I called member services and i finally got a call. They said the doctor wold see me. I went thinking this was to discuss plans for surgery instead I arrived and had surgery. It was the worst pain in my life he said it would be not even as bad as a cavity. He only sprayed by nose with numbing spray. I could hear him breaking bones while he did the turbinoplasty. I asked why he could not put me to sleep and he said we dont do that for this procedure. I went home and googled it and found this surgery it done under General anesthesia, it is at least done with sedation and lidocaine. Why would be put me through this I am in so much pain 3 weeks later and he didint to even give me motrin or ANYTHING for pain

]]> By: Admin http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2009/09/04/more-kaiser-negligence-will-lead-to-less-medical-negligence/#comment-40051 Admin Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:47:55 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=249#comment-40051 No, they will not reimburse you for seeing an outside doctor, unless: 1) you have Added Choice coverage; or 2) a Kaiser doctor refers you out (read: when hell freezes over). If you want choices, and to have input into your own health care, your best bet is to change health plans. No, they will not reimburse you for seeing an outside doctor, unless: 1) you have Added Choice coverage; or 2) a Kaiser doctor refers you out (read: when hell freezes over).

If you want choices, and to have input into your own health care, your best bet is to change health plans.

]]> By: AS http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2009/09/04/more-kaiser-negligence-will-lead-to-less-medical-negligence/#comment-40048 AS Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:42:37 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=249#comment-40048 I am very disappointed with the doctors at Kaiser. I have allergies and the doctor would only give me over the counter drugs to relieve the symptoms. One of the doctors told me that it is their policy to prescribe OTC drugs unless their is none available for a given condition. Not only I have suffered between repeated visits to the doctors but also ended up spending large amount of money as copays simply because doctors do not want to do all needed tests to save money for KP. My allergies are getting worse. My visits to Kaiser were no better than going to longs drugs and consulting a phrmasist. I do not know what to do? Will they reimburse me if I see a non Kaiser doctor? I am very disappointed with the doctors at Kaiser. I have allergies and the doctor would only give me over the counter drugs to relieve the symptoms. One of the doctors told me that it is their policy to prescribe OTC drugs unless their is none available for a given condition. Not only I have suffered between repeated visits to the doctors but also ended up spending large amount of money as copays simply because doctors do not want to do all needed tests to save money for KP. My allergies are getting worse. My visits to Kaiser were no better than going to longs drugs and consulting a phrmasist. I do not know what to do? Will they reimburse me if I see a non Kaiser doctor?

]]> By: JH http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2009/09/04/more-kaiser-negligence-will-lead-to-less-medical-negligence/#comment-39770 JH Sat, 21 Nov 2009 01:05:50 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=249#comment-39770 Yes, Kaiser indeed falsifies records. This includes deleting records, inserting comments long after the date of entry(you can tell), writing fiction to cover Kaiser docs' behavior. I have seen entries mangled, merged, dates deleted. I have seen false stories complete with fictional details as well. I suspect that this was done to cover up more than I knew or know. Why would Kaiser go to this trouble to cover up something minor? I have read the state statutes. This making of false entries is criminal in my state. The class ranges from misdemeanors to felonies. A severely damaged patient is not able to file anything. Damage thoroughly enough, and there is no one to testify. "Thrive"? Give us a break. Yes, Kaiser indeed falsifies records. This includes deleting records, inserting comments long after the date of entry(you can tell), writing fiction to cover Kaiser docs’ behavior.

I have seen entries mangled, merged, dates deleted. I have seen false stories complete with fictional details as well.

I suspect that this was done to cover up more than I knew or know. Why would Kaiser go to this trouble to cover up something minor?

I have read the state statutes. This making of false entries is criminal in my state. The class ranges from misdemeanors to felonies.

A severely damaged patient is not able to file anything. Damage thoroughly enough, and there is no one to testify.

“Thrive”? Give us a break.

]]> By: trace http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2009/09/04/more-kaiser-negligence-will-lead-to-less-medical-negligence/#comment-38703 trace Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:53:56 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=249#comment-38703 I was born at kaiser in 1979 and was a member until 2007. kaiser and there cost cutting cost me my quality of life!! Since Kaiser is all i knew i thought i was getting the best. At this time i can not elaborate on my exact circumstances and numerous horrid medical experiences but i am permenently disabeled and was only able to switch health plans beacuse i am on MEDICARE.I hope to prove with my lawyer that kaisers responsible. I hope soon to be able to share my full details. I was born at kaiser in 1979 and was a member until 2007. kaiser and there cost cutting cost me my quality of life!! Since Kaiser is all i knew i thought i was getting the best. At this time i can not elaborate on my exact circumstances and numerous horrid medical experiences but i am permenently disabeled and was only able to switch health plans beacuse i am on MEDICARE.I hope to prove with my lawyer that kaisers responsible. I hope soon to be able to share my full details.

]]> By: Anon http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2009/09/04/more-kaiser-negligence-will-lead-to-less-medical-negligence/#comment-38447 Anon Tue, 29 Sep 2009 02:28:37 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=249#comment-38447 Francis, sounds like Kaiser is up to their usual and dirty tricks. Preventing you from actually seeing a Doctor is just part of their scheme to avoid having to actually provide care. They just want your money, that's it. Once they have that, there is no need for them to provide care. As for the nail infection, this sounds to me like just another one of their schemes...to make sure THEY spend as little time and care and treatment on their paying members as possible. They do not care about putting patients in harms way...remember now, it is NOT about the patient and what is good for the patients health. IT IS ONLY ABOUT THE MONEY. This is why Kaiser is in business. I learned this the hard way on March 3, 2006 when kaiser carelessly and negligently let my Daughter die. If you are in California, there is even less incentive to provide actual care due to California's $250,000. MICRA cap. They would rather you die than provide care because this will save them money as well. Francis, sounds like Kaiser is up to their usual and dirty tricks. Preventing you from actually seeing a Doctor is just part of their scheme to avoid having to actually provide care. They just want your money, that’s it. Once they have that, there is no need for them to provide care. As for the nail infection, this sounds to me like just another one of their schemes…to make sure THEY spend as little time and care and treatment on their paying members as possible. They do not care about putting patients in harms way…remember now, it is NOT about the patient and what is good for the patients health. IT IS ONLY ABOUT THE MONEY. This is why Kaiser is in business. I learned this the hard way on March 3, 2006 when kaiser carelessly and negligently let my Daughter die. If you are in California, there is even less incentive to provide actual care due to California’s $250,000. MICRA cap. They would rather you die than provide care because this will save them money as well.

]]> By: Francis http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2009/09/04/more-kaiser-negligence-will-lead-to-less-medical-negligence/#comment-38438 Francis Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:07:01 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=249#comment-38438 My husband and I have been with Kaiser for two years and we are now changing health plan. We do not like Kaiser. They do not provide the best treatments available but the most conservative, old and often dangerous for your health. My husband had a nail infection that could be treated with laser in one time visit and the Kaiser doctor instead prescribed a medication for three months that had high potential to damage the liver..... Every time you need to see the doctor, you need to talk to a nurse on the phone.... and you can never choose your physician. The best ones don't accept new members and you end up with those that just finished their residency.... We are changing. I don't feel Kaiser is in our best interest. My husband and I have been with Kaiser for two years and we are now changing health plan. We do not like Kaiser. They do not provide the best treatments available but the most conservative, old and often dangerous for your health. My husband had a nail infection that could be treated with laser in one time visit and the Kaiser doctor instead prescribed a medication for three months that had high potential to damage the liver….. Every time you need to see the doctor, you need to talk to a nurse on the phone…. and you can never choose your physician. The best ones don’t accept new members and you end up with those that just finished their residency….

We are changing. I don’t feel Kaiser is in our best interest.

]]> By: Anon http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2009/09/04/more-kaiser-negligence-will-lead-to-less-medical-negligence/#comment-38202 Anon Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:58:06 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/?p=249#comment-38202 John, have you been a patient at Kaiser? Have you lost a loved one at Kaiser? If not, then your comments are entirely too stupid for words. I suggest you try it for yourself and see if you like it, but be careful, you could lose your life...but that would be stupid, wouldn't it? John, have you been a patient at Kaiser? Have you lost a loved one at Kaiser? If not, then your comments are entirely too stupid for words. I suggest you try it for yourself and see if you like it, but be careful, you could lose your life…but that would be stupid, wouldn’t it?

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