Comments on: Another life threatening illness misdiagnosed as psychological problem http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/ Kaiser Permanente: Failure to Thrive -- A Managed Care Watch Web Site Sat, 17 May 2008 03:54:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Admin http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-27149 Admin Fri, 25 Apr 2008 03:03:19 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-27149 Sometimes the only thing you can do is seek a 2nd opinion outside of Kaiser and pay for it out of pocket. Then you can use the non-Kaiser doctor's opinion in your grievance. If Kaiser still refuses to treat you after you appeal the denial, you can file a complaint and request a review from the DMHC. Kaiser's disrespect and disregard for patients and employees is ingrained in the culture of the organization, which makes the Thrive campaign all the more ludicrous. Sometimes the only thing you can do is seek a 2nd opinion outside of Kaiser and pay for it out of pocket. Then you can use the non-Kaiser doctor’s opinion in your grievance. If Kaiser still refuses to treat you after you appeal the denial, you can file a complaint and request a review from the DMHC.

Kaiser’s disrespect and disregard for patients and employees is ingrained in the culture of the organization, which makes the Thrive campaign all the more ludicrous.

]]> By: Cindy Jensen http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-27148 Cindy Jensen Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:53:28 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-27148 I have been with Kaiser for about 1 1/2 years. I can say in the last year they have come close to ruining my life. I have something wrong with my back and they will not find out what. I am in terrible pain, have been missing lots of work and am not bankrupt. Today my primary took away the pain meds so I may not be able to work at all. She will not put me on disability. The only test done had been an x-ray which only showed arthritis. No further test are being authorized. They dont' even know what kink of arthritis I have. My hands and wrists are also swollen (badly swollen). I just can't believe that they are getting away with treating people this way. I feel like it is just hopeless. I even begged my primary to find out what is wrong. I am being treated like I there is nouthing wrong with me. Bakerfield Kaiser and their doctor's are creeps. I have been with Kaiser for about 1 1/2 years. I can say in the last year they have come close to ruining my life. I have something wrong with my back and they will not find out what. I am in terrible pain, have been missing lots of work and am not bankrupt. Today my primary took away the pain meds so I may not be able to work at all. She will not put me on disability. The only test done had been an x-ray which only showed arthritis. No further test are being authorized. They dont’ even know what kink of arthritis I have. My hands and wrists are also swollen (badly swollen). I just can’t believe that they are getting away with treating people this way. I feel like it is just hopeless. I even begged my primary to find out what is wrong. I am being treated like I there is nouthing wrong with me. Bakerfield Kaiser and their doctor’s are creeps.

]]> By: sink the pirates http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25244 sink the pirates Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:17:36 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25244 Kaiser Victim, I agree. The day the "black plague" is extinguished is the day Californians and all kaiser member/victims everywhere will be on the road to real wellness. I wonder why California refuses to accept what other states have long since realized. Well, we already know that in Ca our lives are worth no more than $250,000. They sure don't value life much out west, do they? Kaiser + MICRA = Your life has no value (other than those empty premiums that we get suckered into paying for phony healthcare) Pirates, they're all pirates. Kaiser Victim,
I agree. The day the “black plague” is extinguished is the day Californians and all kaiser member/victims everywhere will be on the road to real wellness. I wonder why California refuses to accept what other states have long since realized. Well, we already know that in Ca our lives are worth no more than $250,000. They sure don’t value life much out west, do they?
Kaiser + MICRA = Your life has no value
(other than those empty premiums that we get suckered into paying for phony healthcare)
Pirates, they’re all pirates.

]]> By: kaiser victim http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25239 kaiser victim Sun, 27 Jan 2008 18:52:32 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25239 Baby Lehna's Mom, Yep, I know Kaiser has been kicked out of a couple states.....How LUCKY the people in those states are!!! I spoke with a friend in Kentucky. We were talking about health insurance companies and I told her Kaiser is one of the major "HMOs" out here. Her immediate response was that they (the people along with the government in Kentucky) got rid of Kaiser a bit back. She stated she never heard any good stories about Kaiser and how they 'treat' people. One day California citizens will awaken and get rid of Kaiser and its false claims to being a health care organization.....one day it will happen and Kaiser will be gone from California. Let's just hope it is done prior to them killing off more than half of the population..... Kaiser *is* the Black Plague of the 21st Century! Baby Lehna’s Mom,

Yep, I know Kaiser has been kicked out of a couple states…..How LUCKY the people in those states are!!!

I spoke with a friend in Kentucky. We were talking about health insurance companies and I told her Kaiser is one of the major “HMOs” out here.

Her immediate response was that they (the people along with the government in Kentucky) got rid of Kaiser a bit back.
She stated she never heard any good stories about Kaiser and how they ‘treat’ people.

One day California citizens will awaken and get rid of Kaiser and its false claims to being a health care organization…..one day it will happen and Kaiser will be gone from California.

Let’s just hope it is done prior to them killing off more than half of the population…..
Kaiser *is* the Black Plague of the 21st Century!

]]> By: sink the pirates http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25096 sink the pirates Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:50:04 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25096 http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/healthcare/healthcarepirates/ http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/healthcare/healthcarepirates/

]]> By: Jaded Temporary MD at Kaiser http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25087 Jaded Temporary MD at Kaiser Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:09:58 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25087 Dear Baby Lehna's Mom, Being a Doctor ( not an OB), I hope you can accept my apology for what happened to your daughter under the care of Kaiser, but know that your oldest daughter is living proof of good doctors. Like I stated earlier, I worked there for 3 months, on a temporary assignment, and what a horrible mistake. I know that I will never work for a place like that again that compromises my ability to effectively treat patients and I WILL NEVER, nor will my family, have such lousy insurance. I would rather have no insurance and have a flex spending plan, if my choice was to have kaiser as insurance. Good luck to you and Andrew-you are in my thoughts. Dear Baby Lehna’s Mom,
Being a Doctor ( not an OB), I hope you can accept my apology for what happened to your daughter under the care of Kaiser, but know that your oldest daughter is living proof of good doctors. Like I stated earlier, I worked there for 3 months, on a temporary assignment, and what a horrible mistake. I know that I will never work for a place like that again that compromises my ability to effectively treat patients and I WILL NEVER, nor will my family, have such lousy insurance. I would rather have no insurance and have a flex spending plan, if my choice was to have kaiser as insurance. Good luck to you and Andrew-you are in my thoughts.

]]> By: Baby Lehna's Mom http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25051 Baby Lehna's Mom Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:40:09 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25051 Oh and another thing... I was told by an insurance agent here in Georgia that he knows of a surgeon in Atlanta where 80% of his business comes from repairing kaiser catastrophies. So here we have California, DC/Northern VA and Georgia. I have lived in all three places and I have heard nothing but bad things about kaiser in all three locations. It's quite obvious that their business model of witholding care and misdiagnosing illnesses is a nationwide epidemic. Oh, and let's not forget that Kaiser was run out of Texas and I believe, Kansas too. Oh and another thing… I was told by an insurance agent here in Georgia that he knows of a surgeon in Atlanta where 80% of his business comes from repairing kaiser catastrophies.

So here we have California, DC/Northern VA and Georgia.
I have lived in all three places and I have heard nothing but bad things about kaiser in all three locations. It’s quite obvious that their business model of witholding care and misdiagnosing illnesses is a nationwide epidemic.

Oh, and let’s not forget that Kaiser was run out of Texas and I believe, Kansas too.

]]> By: Baby Lehna's Mom http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25050 Baby Lehna's Mom Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:31:50 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25050 dear kaiser victim, Yep and speaking of bottom of the barrel I spoke with a lawyer over a year ago in DC who is all too familiar with Kaiser and what they are about. His words exactly..."kaiser employs bottom of the barrel." He also said "Kaiser hires Drs. that are barely credentialed." He would have taken my case against kaiser but couldn't since he was in DC and not in California. I spoke with another lawyer in DC who was real excited about going after kaiser for fraud, that is, until he learned of the crummy MICRA law in California. Unfortunately since Kaiser basically owns Ca many Dr.s in Ca are afraid to speak out even though they are well aware. Some lawyers even in Ca are afraid to go against the kaiser mafia. dear kaiser victim,
Yep and speaking of bottom of the barrel I spoke with a lawyer over a year ago in DC who is all too familiar with Kaiser and what they are about. His words exactly…”kaiser employs bottom of the barrel.” He also said “Kaiser hires Drs. that are barely credentialed.” He would have taken my case against kaiser but couldn’t since he was in DC and not in California. I spoke with another lawyer in DC who was real excited about going after kaiser for fraud, that is, until he learned of the crummy MICRA law in California.

Unfortunately since Kaiser basically owns Ca many Dr.s in Ca are afraid to speak out even though they are well aware. Some lawyers even in Ca are afraid to go against the kaiser mafia.

]]> By: kaiser victim http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25049 kaiser victim Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:05:06 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25049 Baby Lehna's Mom, I am so very sorry for your unnecessary loss. It breaks my heart to read your posts. You are correct.....*Good* Doctors know how bad the care at Kaiser is. The hospital we had to bring my Aunt to (the same night she was just discharged from Kaiser Santa Theresa's Death Camp) was absolutely disgusted with what they did. Yes, the GOOD Doctors in this area (south bay) are fully aware of the type of "care" Kaiser and their "Doctors" provide....bottom of the barrel. Baby Lehna’s Mom,

I am so very sorry for your unnecessary loss.
It breaks my heart to read your posts.

You are correct…..*Good* Doctors know how bad the care at Kaiser is.

The hospital we had to bring my Aunt to (the same night she was just discharged from Kaiser Santa Theresa’s Death Camp) was absolutely disgusted with what they did.

Yes, the GOOD Doctors in this area (south bay) are fully aware of the type of “care” Kaiser and their “Doctors” provide….bottom of the barrel.

]]> By: Baby Lehna's Mom http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25043 Baby Lehna's Mom Wed, 16 Jan 2008 12:53:09 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/08/another-life-threatening-illness-misdiagnosed-as-psychological-problem/#comment-25043 Dear Jaded, I agree with you 100%. I went from a Dr. in Virginia who provided the best possible care to kaiser in Ca. who provided the worst possible "care". My Dr. in Virginia had been my Dr. for years and I cannot imagine a more caring, honorable and decent human being. She delivered my first Daughter. My first Daughter is alive today because she was delivered in a timely manner right after I passed my due date. We made the life-altering mistake of moving to California so that Andy could take a contract position with Kaiser. I knew from the start of my "care" at kaiser that things there were not right. I had had the best Dr. to compare it to so I knew better. I continued on with the prenatal "care" at kaiser feeling unsettled but thinking it was just me being paranoid and nervous. What could possibly go wrong? I'll tell you what went wrong. Once I reached my due date a Dr. tried to schedule me in for an induction that would have put me 15 days past my due date. The following morning I went in for my NST. Andy and I were kept there longer that morning but they didn't say why. I asked if everything was ok and they said yes (more details at the happy brithday link on this site). We went in to Walnut Creek Labor and Delivery that night and were treated very rudely. I was sent home home and told not to come back unless I was bleeding or my water broke. Our Baby Lehna died in utero the very next day. This is what went wrong: We were not cared for. Our Baby was not cared for. No one at Kaiser cares. Bottom line. The "care" I received there was at the complete opposite end of the spectrum in the healthcare world. Kaiser is scamming the public. My experience with my Dr. in Virginia could not have been better and I have my oldest Daughter here today to prove it. My experience with kaiser could not have been worse and I do not have my Baby Lehna here today to prove it. Instead of getting any answers we were left with more and more questions. Did kaiser intentionally let Lehna die to save money? I believe so. I also believe that the missing fetal heart monitor strip from the NST that kaiser claims to have "lost" holds the answers. Answers we will never have. Had Lehna been born outside of the Kaiser system I believe she would be alive today. Good Drs. know kaisers game. Kaiser = disaster When the good Drs. get tired of cleaning up after kaiser and all of their many "mistakes" then I believe Kaiser will have a rude awakening waiting for them just around the next corner. Shams can't last forever. The veil will come off. Dear Jaded,
I agree with you 100%. I went from a Dr. in Virginia who provided the best possible care to kaiser in Ca. who provided the worst possible “care”. My Dr. in Virginia had been my Dr. for years and I cannot imagine a more caring, honorable and decent human being. She delivered my first Daughter. My first Daughter is alive today because she was delivered in a timely manner right after I passed my due date. We made the life-altering mistake of moving to California so that Andy could take a contract position with Kaiser. I knew from the start of my “care” at kaiser that things there were not right. I had had the best Dr. to compare it to so I knew better. I continued on with the prenatal “care” at kaiser feeling unsettled but thinking it was just me being paranoid and nervous. What could possibly go wrong? I’ll tell you what went wrong. Once I reached my due date a Dr. tried to schedule me in for an induction that would have put me 15 days past my due date. The following morning I went in for my NST. Andy and I were kept there longer that morning but they didn’t say why. I asked if everything was ok and they said yes (more details at the happy brithday link on this site). We went in to Walnut Creek Labor and Delivery that night and were treated very rudely. I was sent home home and told not to come back unless I was bleeding or my water broke. Our Baby Lehna died in utero the very next day. This is what went wrong: We were not cared for. Our Baby was not cared for. No one at Kaiser cares. Bottom line. The “care” I received there was at the complete opposite end of the spectrum in the healthcare world. Kaiser is scamming the public. My experience with my Dr. in Virginia could not have been better and I have my oldest Daughter here today to prove it. My experience with kaiser could not have been worse and I do not have my Baby Lehna here today to prove it.

Instead of getting any answers we were left with more and more questions. Did kaiser intentionally let Lehna die to save money? I believe so. I also believe that the missing fetal heart monitor strip from the NST that kaiser claims to have “lost” holds the answers. Answers we will never have.

Had Lehna been born outside of the Kaiser system I believe she would be alive today.

Good Drs. know kaisers game. Kaiser = disaster
When the good Drs. get tired of cleaning up after kaiser and all of their many “mistakes” then I believe Kaiser will have a rude awakening waiting for them just around the next corner. Shams can’t last forever. The veil will come off.

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