Comments on: “You don’t go to Kaiser to die” (or do you?) http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/you-dont-go-to-kaiser-to-die-or-do-you/ Kaiser Permanente: Failure to Thrive -- A Managed Care Watch Web Site Sat, 17 May 2008 05:34:21 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: kaiser victim http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/you-dont-go-to-kaiser-to-die-or-do-you/#comment-25241 kaiser victim Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:31:49 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/%e2%80%9cyou-don%e2%80%99t-go-to-kaiser-to-die%e2%80%9d-or-do-you/#comment-25241 Dear Marina, I am so very sorry for your loss. Your cousin deserved much better care. I worked in a hospital where there were a few incompetent Physicians (the hospital I worked for fired those "doctors" however the medical boards did not take their licenses.....i have to wonder if they now work at Kaiser). From my experience, whenever a "Doctor" tries to talk a family out of getting an autopsy it means they are *fully aware* of what they have done and are attempting to cover it up. I am glad you and your family decided not to follow this murderer's independent decision to cancel the autopsy. God Bless You and Your Family.... Dear Marina,

I am so very sorry for your loss.

Your cousin deserved much better care.

I worked in a hospital where there were a few incompetent Physicians (the hospital I worked for fired those “doctors” however the medical boards did not take their licenses…..i have to wonder if they now work at Kaiser).

From my experience, whenever a “Doctor” tries to talk a family out of getting an autopsy it means they are *fully aware* of what they have done and are attempting to cover it up.

I am glad you and your family decided not to follow this murderer’s independent decision to cancel the autopsy.

God Bless You and Your Family….

]]> By: Marina http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/you-dont-go-to-kaiser-to-die-or-do-you/#comment-25061 Marina Thu, 17 Jan 2008 18:08:25 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/%e2%80%9cyou-don%e2%80%99t-go-to-kaiser-to-die%e2%80%9d-or-do-you/#comment-25061 My cousin also died from the incompetent doc's at Kaiser. She had gastric bypass sergery and there were complications after her doctor failed to do a simple dye test to double check that her staples wern't leaking (which they were.) Her stomach acid ended up causing a massive infection in her abdomen which they were constantly cleaning. Every time they sewed her up it became infected again and they would have to reopen it, so eventually they just left her cut open in order to access the infection easier. Then, they took her of antibiotics, while her wound was still open and exposed and she died of a massive staph infection. Her doctor tried to cover his ass by telling us she died of severe blood clots and he even went so far as to cancel the autopsy on her, forcing my family to request one which meant we had to pay for it when it is supposed to be free. My cousin also died from the incompetent doc’s at Kaiser. She had gastric bypass sergery and there were complications after her doctor failed to do a simple dye test to double check that her staples wern’t leaking (which they were.) Her stomach acid ended up causing a massive infection in her abdomen which they were constantly cleaning. Every time they sewed her up it became infected again and they would have to reopen it, so eventually they just left her cut open in order to access the infection easier. Then, they took her of antibiotics, while her wound was still open and exposed and she died of a massive staph infection. Her doctor tried to cover his ass by telling us she died of severe blood clots and he even went so far as to cancel the autopsy on her, forcing my family to request one which meant we had to pay for it when it is supposed to be free.

]]> By: Andrew Brewer http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/you-dont-go-to-kaiser-to-die-or-do-you/#comment-24400 Andrew Brewer Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:14:21 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/%e2%80%9cyou-don%e2%80%99t-go-to-kaiser-to-die%e2%80%9d-or-do-you/#comment-24400 I read this with my usual sense of doom and gloom and wonder how long this practice of charging for services they are neither qualified nor inclined to provide will be allowed to continue. As Beth said above, the weather report in Hell will be frosty cold whenever I or anyone I care about will step foot inside a Kaiser facility, unless it includes a giant sign saying "Run for your Lives". The old adage "who do I have to sleep with to get away with this?" rings true to me with good ole Kaiser P? How can people still go there? Truly how do they stay in business--except for the very generous tax credits they receive as a non-profit? This is a crime. Pure and simple--Kaiser continually (and literally) "gets away with murder". It is just not right. I read this with my usual sense of doom and gloom and wonder how long this practice of charging for services they are neither qualified nor inclined to provide will be allowed to continue.

As Beth said above, the weather report in Hell will be frosty cold whenever I or anyone I care about will step foot inside a Kaiser facility, unless it includes a giant sign saying “Run for your Lives”. The old adage “who do I have to sleep with to get away with this?” rings true to me with good ole Kaiser P?

How can people still go there? Truly how do they stay in business–except for the very generous tax credits they receive as a non-profit? This is a crime. Pure and simple–Kaiser continually (and literally) “gets away with murder”.

It is just not right.

]]> By: Lehna's Mom http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/you-dont-go-to-kaiser-to-die-or-do-you/#comment-24295 Lehna's Mom Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:04:03 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/%e2%80%9cyou-don%e2%80%99t-go-to-kaiser-to-die%e2%80%9d-or-do-you/#comment-24295 Junie, I personally want to say Thank You to you. I wish more people at Kaiser would come forward and do the right thing. It is really, really sad and unfortunate for all kaiser victims that we have all innocently gone to kaiser expecting them to do the right thing and putting our lives in their hands. It is truly criminal the way they run their sinking ship. It is the victims who have to go on and live a lifetime of sorrow and regret. REGRET for ever having step foot in kaiser. My baby's father worked at Kaiser too and you couldn't pay him now to go to kaiser for "care." Junie, I personally want to say Thank You to you. I wish more people at Kaiser would come forward and do the right thing. It is really, really sad and unfortunate for all kaiser victims that we have all innocently gone to kaiser expecting them to do the right thing and putting our lives in their hands. It is truly criminal the way they run their sinking ship. It is the victims who have to go on and live a lifetime of sorrow and regret. REGRET for ever having step foot in kaiser.

My baby’s father worked at Kaiser too and you couldn’t pay him now to go to kaiser for “care.”

]]> By: JUNIE http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/you-dont-go-to-kaiser-to-die-or-do-you/#comment-24281 JUNIE Fri, 07 Dec 2007 01:40:44 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/%e2%80%9cyou-don%e2%80%99t-go-to-kaiser-to-die%e2%80%9d-or-do-you/#comment-24281 BECAUSE I WORK FOR KAISER, I AM MOST UNFORTUNATELY NOT SURPRISED AT WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS POOR WOMAN. SHE WAS KILLED AT ONE OF KAISER'S "AFTER HOURS CARE" ALSO CALLED "URGENT CARE(LESS)" FACILITIES. THE M.D.'S WHO WORK IN THESE PLACES ARE OFTEN EMPLOYED IN NON-CLINICAL JOBS BY DAY AND MOONLGHT FOR KAISER IN THE EVENINGS TO MAKE EXTRA MONEY. FOR THIS REASON, IT IS SURPRISING THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY SURVIVE THEIR EXPERIENCE AT AFTER HOURS CARE. THIS MAY BE WHY DR. JAIN DID NOT ADMINISTER EPINEPHRINE OR EVEN RECOGNIZE WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO THE PATIENT. I WOULD BET IT WAS ONE OF THE NURSES WHO CALLED 911 WHILE THE GOOD DOCTOR IGNORED WHAT WAS HAPPENING. IN ADDITION TO THIS, I READ AN ARTICLE ON THIS WEBSITE NOT LONG AGO THAT POINTS OUT ANOTHER AREA OF CONCERN WHICH ALSO MAY VERY WELL HAVE SIGNIFICANT BEARING ON WHAT HAPPENED TO MRS. WILLIAMS. THE DOCTOR INVOLVED WITH HER CARE IS CLEARLY FROM INDIA OR ANOTHER COUNTRY IN THAT GENERAL AREA. KAISER LOVES TO RECRUIT DOCTORS FROM UNDER DEVELOPED COUNTRIES BECAUSE THEY ARE EASY TO "KAISERIZE". IN OTHER WORDS, THEY ARE MALLEABLE AND NOT ATTUNED TO THE HIGH STANDARD OF MEDICAL CARE AMERICANS EXPECT. THEY ARE ALSO EASY TO BRAINWASH BY TELLING THEM THAT THE MORE PATIENTS THEY DO NOT SEND TO THE HOSPITAL OR EMERGENCY ROOM, THE MONEY THEY GET AS BONUSES (KICKBACKS). THIS MAY HAVE BEEN ANOTHER CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THIS AWFUL OUTCOME. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, KAISER SHOULD JUST SIGN THE CHECK AND LEAVE THE AMOUNT BLANK. I WORK FOR KAISER AND YOU COULDN'T PAY ME TO ACCEPT IT AS MY HEALTH CARE PROVIDER !!! THE REASON I CONTINUE TO WORK FOR THIS SHIP OF FOOLS IS THAT I WANT TO DO THE BEST I CAN TO HELP THESE UNFORTUNATE PEOPLE. BECAUSE I WORK FOR KAISER, I AM MOST UNFORTUNATELY NOT SURPRISED AT WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS POOR WOMAN. SHE WAS KILLED AT ONE OF KAISER’S “AFTER HOURS CARE” ALSO CALLED “URGENT CARE(LESS)” FACILITIES. THE M.D.’S WHO WORK IN THESE PLACES ARE OFTEN EMPLOYED IN NON-CLINICAL JOBS BY DAY AND MOONLGHT FOR KAISER IN THE EVENINGS TO MAKE EXTRA MONEY. FOR THIS REASON, IT IS SURPRISING THAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY SURVIVE THEIR EXPERIENCE AT AFTER HOURS CARE. THIS MAY BE WHY DR. JAIN DID NOT ADMINISTER EPINEPHRINE OR EVEN RECOGNIZE WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO THE PATIENT. I WOULD BET IT WAS ONE OF THE NURSES WHO CALLED 911 WHILE THE GOOD DOCTOR IGNORED WHAT WAS HAPPENING. IN ADDITION TO THIS, I READ AN ARTICLE ON THIS WEBSITE NOT LONG AGO THAT POINTS OUT ANOTHER AREA OF CONCERN WHICH ALSO MAY VERY WELL HAVE SIGNIFICANT BEARING ON WHAT HAPPENED TO MRS. WILLIAMS. THE DOCTOR INVOLVED WITH HER CARE IS CLEARLY FROM INDIA OR ANOTHER COUNTRY IN THAT GENERAL AREA. KAISER LOVES TO RECRUIT DOCTORS FROM UNDER DEVELOPED COUNTRIES BECAUSE THEY ARE EASY TO “KAISERIZE”. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY ARE MALLEABLE AND NOT ATTUNED TO THE HIGH STANDARD OF MEDICAL CARE AMERICANS EXPECT. THEY ARE ALSO EASY TO BRAINWASH BY TELLING THEM THAT THE MORE PATIENTS THEY DO NOT SEND TO THE HOSPITAL OR EMERGENCY ROOM, THE MONEY THEY GET AS BONUSES (KICKBACKS). THIS MAY HAVE BEEN ANOTHER CONTRIBUTING FACTOR TO THIS AWFUL OUTCOME.

IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, KAISER SHOULD JUST SIGN THE CHECK AND LEAVE THE AMOUNT BLANK.

I WORK FOR KAISER AND YOU COULDN’T PAY ME TO ACCEPT IT AS MY HEALTH CARE PROVIDER !!! THE REASON I CONTINUE TO WORK FOR THIS SHIP OF FOOLS IS THAT I WANT TO DO THE BEST I CAN TO HELP THESE UNFORTUNATE PEOPLE.

]]> By: anonymous http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/you-dont-go-to-kaiser-to-die-or-do-you/#comment-24263 anonymous Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:06:43 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/%e2%80%9cyou-don%e2%80%99t-go-to-kaiser-to-die%e2%80%9d-or-do-you/#comment-24263 hmmm... Indifference, that sounds oddly familiar. Negligence rises to the level of criminal negligence where the conduct reaches a higher degree of carelessness or inattention, perhaps to the point of indifference. Involuntary manslaughter Involuntary manslaughter, sometimes called criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in the UK or culpable homicide in Scotland, occurs where there is no intention to kill or cause serious injury but death is due to recklessness or criminal negligence. Criminal negligence Negligence consists of conduct by an individual which is not reasonable ? that is, the individual did not act with the care and caution of a reasonable person in similar circumstances. This "reasonable person" is an abstraction, reflecting the standard of conduct which society wishes to impose. Violation of this standard may lead to civil liability for the consequences of the negligent behavior. Negligence rises to the level of criminal negligence where the conduct reaches a higher degree of carelessness or inattention, perhaps to the point of indifference. hmmm… Indifference, that sounds oddly familiar.

Negligence rises to the level of criminal negligence where the conduct reaches a higher degree of carelessness or inattention, perhaps to the point of indifference.

Involuntary manslaughter
Involuntary manslaughter, sometimes called criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in the UK or culpable homicide in Scotland, occurs where there is no intention to kill or cause serious injury but death is due to recklessness or criminal negligence.

Criminal negligence
Negligence consists of conduct by an individual which is not reasonable ? that is, the individual did not act with the care and caution of a reasonable person in similar circumstances. This “reasonable person” is an abstraction, reflecting the standard of conduct which society wishes to impose. Violation of this standard may lead to civil liability for the consequences of the negligent behavior.
Negligence rises to the level of criminal negligence where the conduct reaches a higher degree of carelessness or inattention, perhaps to the point of indifference.

]]> By: Beyond Comprehension http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/you-dont-go-to-kaiser-to-die-or-do-you/#comment-24262 Beyond Comprehension Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:56:17 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/%e2%80%9cyou-don%e2%80%99t-go-to-kaiser-to-die%e2%80%9d-or-do-you/#comment-24262 Excellent care??? Yeah right. If that is excellent care I would hate to see what awful care looks like. I am not at all surprised by this. The comments that the plaintiffs lawyer made sound very much like my own comments over the past few years. Strange, how seemingly treatable situations happen at kaiser with the result being death. It almost looks like the motivation is to "kill" the patient not "treat" the patient. ?You don?t go to Kaiser to die,? said Christian A. Lodowski, the plaintiffs? lawyer. ?Mrs. Williams relied upon the wrong people to do the right thing. Kaiser just blew it.? Yep. My experience EXACTLY. What is the definition of manslaughter? Excellent care??? Yeah right. If that is excellent care I would hate to see what awful care looks like. I am not at all surprised by this. The comments that the plaintiffs lawyer made sound very much like my own comments over the past few years. Strange, how seemingly treatable situations happen at kaiser with the result being death.
It almost looks like the motivation is to “kill” the patient not “treat” the patient.

?You don?t go to Kaiser to die,? said Christian A. Lodowski, the plaintiffs? lawyer. ?Mrs. Williams relied upon the wrong people to do the right thing. Kaiser just blew it.?

Yep. My experience EXACTLY.

What is the definition of manslaughter?

]]> By: Admin http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/you-dont-go-to-kaiser-to-die-or-do-you/#comment-24259 Admin Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:14:33 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/%e2%80%9cyou-don%e2%80%99t-go-to-kaiser-to-die%e2%80%9d-or-do-you/#comment-24259 Either way (whether they didn't have it, or had it and didn't use it) it is negligence, because there is no possible acceptable excuse for not being prepared to handle an allergic drug reaction, which happens in doctor's offices all the time. But will they apologize and willingly make restitution? Of course not. They will lie, mutilate medical records, smear and blame the patient, and re-victimize the family every step of the way. They're already starting with remarks like this: <blockquote>"This is an unforeseeable event," Goodwin said. "We would like to comment on the medical facts of this claim but we are prohibited by federal privacy regulations. When the truth comes out in the court of law, it will show that we delivered excellent care."</blockquote> Excuse me, but did you give the woman a shot of epinephrine? No? Then you didn't deliver excellent care, Kaiser spokesliar. Period. Either way (whether they didn’t have it, or had it and didn’t use it) it is negligence, because there is no possible acceptable excuse for not being prepared to handle an allergic drug reaction, which happens in doctor’s offices all the time.

But will they apologize and willingly make restitution? Of course not. They will lie, mutilate medical records, smear and blame the patient, and re-victimize the family every step of the way. They’re already starting with remarks like this:

“This is an unforeseeable event,” Goodwin said. “We would like to comment on the medical facts of this claim but we are prohibited by federal privacy regulations. When the truth comes out in the court of law, it will show that we delivered excellent care.”

Excuse me, but did you give the woman a shot of epinephrine? No? Then you didn’t deliver excellent care, Kaiser spokesliar. Period.

]]> By: Cathy http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/you-dont-go-to-kaiser-to-die-or-do-you/#comment-24257 Cathy Wed, 05 Dec 2007 07:26:05 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/12/04/%e2%80%9cyou-don%e2%80%99t-go-to-kaiser-to-die%e2%80%9d-or-do-you/#comment-24257 Kaiser's policy is to call 911 right away if something happens at one of the doctor's/medical offices. It's a good policy for a lot of reasons but it doesn't mean the nurses and doctors can sit back and relax after they call 911! Most Kaiser doctor's offices normally have epi vials in their small med fridges since it is often used. Why this office didn't have it -- or if they did, why it wasn't used -- is a very troubling question. How can you explain this to that poor woman's family? Horrifying. Kaiser’s policy is to call 911 right away if something happens at one of the doctor’s/medical offices. It’s a good policy for a lot of reasons but it doesn’t mean the nurses and doctors can sit back and relax after they call 911! Most Kaiser doctor’s offices normally have epi vials in their small med fridges since it is often used. Why this office didn’t have it — or if they did, why it wasn’t used — is a very troubling question.

How can you explain this to that poor woman’s family? Horrifying.

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