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	<title>Comments on: Fines expected in DMHC investigation into Kaiser&#8217;s handling of consumer complaints</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/06/15/fines-expected-in-dmhc-investigation-into-kaisers-handling-of-consumer-complaints/#comment-21373</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"There is no statute of limitations when fraud was involved so where will this lead ultimately."

If this truly is the case then there would not be ANY statute of limitations in Kaiser cases EVER since losing/witholding/destroying records IS fraud.

I was under the impression that if fraud was involved then mandatory binding arbitration no longer applied.

I would love to be there to see the report unveiled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is no statute of limitations when fraud was involved so where will this lead ultimately.&#8221;</p>
<p>If this truly is the case then there would not be ANY statute of limitations in Kaiser cases EVER since losing/witholding/destroying records IS fraud.</p>
<p>I was under the impression that if fraud was involved then mandatory binding arbitration no longer applied.</p>
<p>I would love to be there to see the report unveiled.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 00:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, when the DMHC releases this report next month, who is coming with me to see it unveiled.  I think that there should be a large public presense and an aggressive media response at corporate HQ and the various local entities.  Does anyone care to comment upon the effect that this will have on folks who were bambuzzled and thought that justice would be denied.  There is no statute of limitations when fraud was involved so where will this lead ultimately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, when the DMHC releases this report next month, who is coming with me to see it unveiled.  I think that there should be a large public presense and an aggressive media response at corporate HQ and the various local entities.  Does anyone care to comment upon the effect that this will have on folks who were bambuzzled and thought that justice would be denied.  There is no statute of limitations when fraud was involved so where will this lead ultimately.</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/06/15/fines-expected-in-dmhc-investigation-into-kaisers-handling-of-consumer-complaints/#comment-21348</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have the transcripts from that conversation between Nixon and Ehrlichman on the &lt;a href="http://www.kaiserthrive.org/about-kaiser/" rel="nofollow"&gt;About Kaiser&lt;/a&gt; page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have the transcripts from that conversation between Nixon and Ehrlichman on the <a href="http://www.kaiserthrive.org/about-kaiser/" rel="nofollow">About Kaiser</a> page.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Mitchell</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/06/15/fines-expected-in-dmhc-investigation-into-kaisers-handling-of-consumer-complaints/#comment-21345</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 11:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sure does.

Michael Moore addressing the California state legislature on his new movie 'Sicko':



&lt;blockquote&gt;In this film that you will see tonight, we obtained some of Nixon's famous White House tapes. These aren't the discussions about Watergate. I will show in this film on February 17, 1971, a conversation between John Ehrlichman and Richard Nixon. They're about to put forth the bills that would bring us the modern-day HMOs. And Ehrlichman says to Nixon, "Now, there is one more piece of this we have to figure out, we want to talk to the Vice President about this, and it is about these health maintenance organizations like Edgar Kaiser's Permanente thing", as he put it. And Nixon interrupts him and says "I don't want to talk about these damn medical programs." And Erlichman goes "Wait, this is a private enterprise one." And Nixon goes, "Oh, okay, I like that." And then Ehrlichman essentially boils down what would become the health insurance system that we now have today. Ehrlichman says to Nixon "the genius of Edgar Kaiser is what they want to do here is try and provide as little care as possible so they can make the biggest profit possible." And suddenly Nixon lights up. And he says, "Oh, okay, this is great, fine, not bad. Let's do this." That is what they did. Once they understood what the basic premise was, that it was to provide less care for more profit, that was something that they loved.

That is the system that we have. The reason why, as our friend here said, the reason why we have to eliminate health insurance companies, I mean, they literally have to be removed from the equation, the reason for this is that there is no room for them. Because there should never be room for the word "profit" when you are trying to make a decision whether or not to provide somebody care when they get sick. Bottom line. You can never allow this to happen. They can't make a profit unless they deny care, unless they deny claims, unless they keep people off the rolls who have preexisting conditions or kick people off the rolls who have diseases that become too expensive for them. They can't make a profit.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sure does.</p>
<p>Michael Moore addressing the California state legislature on his new movie &#8216;Sicko&#8217;:</p>
<blockquote><p>In this film that you will see tonight, we obtained some of Nixon&#8217;s famous White House tapes. These aren&#8217;t the discussions about Watergate. I will show in this film on February 17, 1971, a conversation between John Ehrlichman and Richard Nixon. They&#8217;re about to put forth the bills that would bring us the modern-day HMOs. And Ehrlichman says to Nixon, &#8220;Now, there is one more piece of this we have to figure out, we want to talk to the Vice President about this, and it is about these health maintenance organizations like Edgar Kaiser&#8217;s Permanente thing&#8221;, as he put it. And Nixon interrupts him and says &#8220;I don&#8217;t want to talk about these damn medical programs.&#8221; And Erlichman goes &#8220;Wait, this is a private enterprise one.&#8221; And Nixon goes, &#8220;Oh, okay, I like that.&#8221; And then Ehrlichman essentially boils down what would become the health insurance system that we now have today. Ehrlichman says to Nixon &#8220;the genius of Edgar Kaiser is what they want to do here is try and provide as little care as possible so they can make the biggest profit possible.&#8221; And suddenly Nixon lights up. And he says, &#8220;Oh, okay, this is great, fine, not bad. Let&#8217;s do this.&#8221; That is what they did. Once they understood what the basic premise was, that it was to provide less care for more profit, that was something that they loved.</p>
<p>That is the system that we have. The reason why, as our friend here said, the reason why we have to eliminate health insurance companies, I mean, they literally have to be removed from the equation, the reason for this is that there is no room for them. Because there should never be room for the word &#8220;profit&#8221; when you are trying to make a decision whether or not to provide somebody care when they get sick. Bottom line. You can never allow this to happen. They can&#8217;t make a profit unless they deny care, unless they deny claims, unless they keep people off the rolls who have preexisting conditions or kick people off the rolls who have diseases that become too expensive for them. They can&#8217;t make a profit.
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<p><a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/" rel="nofollow">http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/06/15/fines-expected-in-dmhc-investigation-into-kaisers-handling-of-consumer-complaints/#comment-21342</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jun 2007 06:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I watched a movie called &lt;a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120804/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;Resident Evil&lt;/a&gt; on the SciFi channel tonight, and this was the narrated opening:

&lt;blockquote&gt;At the beginning of the 21st century, the &lt;a href="http://www.kaiserthrive.org/about-kaiser/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Umbrella Corporation&lt;/a&gt; had become the largest commercial entity in the United States. Nine out of every ten homes contain its products. Its &lt;a href="http://www.bainpr.com/cs_kp.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;political and financial influence&lt;/a&gt; is felt everywhere.

In public, it is the world's leading supplier of &lt;a href="http://kaiserpapershawaii.org/waste.htm#HC" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;computer technology,&lt;/a&gt; medical products, and healthcare. Unknown, even to its own employees, its &lt;a href="http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/05/not-for-profit-kaiser-still-raking-in-the-dough/" rel="nofollow"&gt;massive profits&lt;/a&gt; are generated by military technology, &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/14/AR2007021401359.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"&gt;genetic experimentation&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.kaiserthrive.org/Kaiser_Thrive_brandimage_plan.pdf" rel="nofollow"&gt;viral weaponry&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yikes! Sound like anyone we know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched a movie called <a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120804/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Resident Evil</a> on the SciFi channel tonight, and this was the narrated opening:</p>
<blockquote><p>At the beginning of the 21st century, the <a href="http://www.kaiserthrive.org/about-kaiser/" rel="nofollow">Umbrella Corporation</a> had become the largest commercial entity in the United States. Nine out of every ten homes contain its products. Its <a href="http://www.bainpr.com/cs_kp.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">political and financial influence</a> is felt everywhere.</p>
<p>In public, it is the world&#8217;s leading supplier of <a href="http://kaiserpapershawaii.org/waste.htm#HC" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">computer technology,</a> medical products, and healthcare. Unknown, even to its own employees, its <a href="http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/05/not-for-profit-kaiser-still-raking-in-the-dough/" rel="nofollow">massive profits</a> are generated by military technology, <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/14/AR2007021401359.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">genetic experimentation</a> and <a href="http://www.kaiserthrive.org/Kaiser_Thrive_brandimage_plan.pdf" rel="nofollow">viral weaponry</a>.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yikes! Sound like anyone we know?</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Stover</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Stover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 10:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Idea! Let the people live!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Idea! Let the people live!</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 07:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about this "plan of correction"? Kaiser decides that it's corporate presence is hopelessly sick, degraded and crumbling, and in the interest of empathy for patients everywhere, it closes down all its 'health care' centers and thus frees up hundreds of badly needed independent doctors. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about this &#8220;plan of correction&#8221;? Kaiser decides that it&#8217;s corporate presence is hopelessly sick, degraded and crumbling, and in the interest of empathy for patients everywhere, it closes down all its &#8216;health care&#8217; centers and thus frees up hundreds of badly needed independent doctors. <img src='http://www.kaiserthrive.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Weiss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Weiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 06:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Kaiser "quality of care" deficiency concerns their qualification requirements for the physical therapists who are allowed to perform manual lymph drainage (MLD) as part of complete decongestive therapy CDT) for lymphedema. Physical therapists with as little as 22.5 hours of specialized lymphedema training over and above their license requirements are allowed to treat lymphedema patients. National lymphedema therapist certification requirements are a minimum of 135 hours followed by one year of professional practice under a certified therapist. The California Physical Therapy Board has stated that a therapist with inadequate training and competence providing MLD/CDT to a lymphedema patient is practicing outside of their license. [Details and Kaiser's response to my complaint are available from this writer.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Kaiser &#8220;quality of care&#8221; deficiency concerns their qualification requirements for the physical therapists who are allowed to perform manual lymph drainage (MLD) as part of complete decongestive therapy CDT) for lymphedema. Physical therapists with as little as 22.5 hours of specialized lymphedema training over and above their license requirements are allowed to treat lymphedema patients. National lymphedema therapist certification requirements are a minimum of 135 hours followed by one year of professional practice under a certified therapist. The California Physical Therapy Board has stated that a therapist with inadequate training and competence providing MLD/CDT to a lymphedema patient is practicing outside of their license. [Details and Kaiser's response to my complaint are available from this writer.]</p>
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