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	<title>Comments on: George Halvorson: &#8220;We really did screw up&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/18/george-halvorson-we-really-did-screw-up/#comment-21321</link>
		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 03:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not understand how a "lack of communication" could be such a problem with the computer system, since Kaiser can so easily access a California patient's other visits to ERs, an so easily blacklist that person. People often complain about a deficiency in patient safety due to the ERs not being able to communicate with each other, but it seems to me that they do FAR too much of that by noting derogatory entries on a patient, and then the patient gets treated worse than a dog when they go for care anywhere in Northern California. Can you explain this apparent paradox? Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not understand how a &#8220;lack of communication&#8221; could be such a problem with the computer system, since Kaiser can so easily access a California patient&#8217;s other visits to ERs, an so easily blacklist that person. People often complain about a deficiency in patient safety due to the ERs not being able to communicate with each other, but it seems to me that they do FAR too much of that by noting derogatory entries on a patient, and then the patient gets treated worse than a dog when they go for care anywhere in Northern California. Can you explain this apparent paradox? Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Brewer</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/18/george-halvorson-we-really-did-screw-up/#comment-21074</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Brewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 17:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the past couple of months, I have been working towards trying to help manifest Kaiser's "karma" (just as they helped manifest mine)--both in terms of documenting many of the methodological weaknesses within Health Connect and also by exploring legal avenues for holding Kaiser accountable 

 . . . due to "potential" problems (and the "potential" implications of those problems relative to patient safety) within Health Connect and what those "potential" problems may mean to current Kaiser members and, like all things that involve laws and interpretations of laws, this has NOT been a speedy thing to undertake.

The paragraph above (sorry, I have not followed the link to read the article) about finger-pointing instead of action is SOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE!!

I am attaching part of an email I wrote as the cover to a "Lessons Learned" document I submitted to Kaiser leadership last November--this is before finding out that our daughter's medical records magically re-appeared (without a name, date, or MRN number at which point I stopped really trying to help Kaiser and "gave up" any hopes of things ever working out).  

Anyway, for a small taste of what my opinion of Kaiser's methodological weaknesses may be I am attaching part of the cover letter to my Lessons Learned doc, dated 11/10/2006:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The two most common reasons for a software implementation to have "issues" are 1) data integration requirements for all existing legacy systems are problematic and systems don't "talk" to one another or 2) late in the game additional requirements and/or wishes are introduced, often times leading to a condensed time line for the creation and testing of those changes.  Both will potentially impact the stability of a given system.

From an organizational change perspective, the two most common deterrents to effective change management are 1) lack of effective, overt executive sponsorship and 2) conflicting messages either in type or decree.  All of these issues are evident in KPHC in some degree or another.

I still believe the major problem here is communication and the major communication problem is a lack of some measure of centralization and control of the release of information.

I disagree in principle with the manner in which we are conducting our testing; I am not referring to our team but rather the totality of entities involved in requesting, testing, and promoting code into a production environment.  I realize this is not news that I disagree and I will continue to raise this as a concern as long as I believe it continues to be problematic.  My analysis is attached&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In a nutshell, all the ways in which a software implementation could go wrong I believe went wrong (WAY wrong) with Health Connect.  

Saying this out loud is a "bold" thing to do but there is much much more that can (and should) be said. 

But, if you believed that someone just stood by and watched your baby die would you maybe, just maybe, have an "agenda".  Well, based on that logic, I have an agenda with Kaiser Permanente.  More, hopefully, yet to come . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the past couple of months, I have been working towards trying to help manifest Kaiser&#8217;s &#8220;karma&#8221; (just as they helped manifest mine)&#8211;both in terms of documenting many of the methodological weaknesses within Health Connect and also by exploring legal avenues for holding Kaiser accountable </p>
<p> . . . due to &#8220;potential&#8221; problems (and the &#8220;potential&#8221; implications of those problems relative to patient safety) within Health Connect and what those &#8220;potential&#8221; problems may mean to current Kaiser members and, like all things that involve laws and interpretations of laws, this has NOT been a speedy thing to undertake.</p>
<p>The paragraph above (sorry, I have not followed the link to read the article) about finger-pointing instead of action is SOOOOOOOOOOO TRUE!!</p>
<p>I am attaching part of an email I wrote as the cover to a &#8220;Lessons Learned&#8221; document I submitted to Kaiser leadership last November&#8211;this is before finding out that our daughter&#8217;s medical records magically re-appeared (without a name, date, or MRN number at which point I stopped really trying to help Kaiser and &#8220;gave up&#8221; any hopes of things ever working out).  </p>
<p>Anyway, for a small taste of what my opinion of Kaiser&#8217;s methodological weaknesses may be I am attaching part of the cover letter to my Lessons Learned doc, dated 11/10/2006:</p>
<blockquote><p>The two most common reasons for a software implementation to have &#8220;issues&#8221; are 1) data integration requirements for all existing legacy systems are problematic and systems don&#8217;t &#8220;talk&#8221; to one another or 2) late in the game additional requirements and/or wishes are introduced, often times leading to a condensed time line for the creation and testing of those changes.  Both will potentially impact the stability of a given system.</p>
<p>From an organizational change perspective, the two most common deterrents to effective change management are 1) lack of effective, overt executive sponsorship and 2) conflicting messages either in type or decree.  All of these issues are evident in KPHC in some degree or another.</p>
<p>I still believe the major problem here is communication and the major communication problem is a lack of some measure of centralization and control of the release of information.</p>
<p>I disagree in principle with the manner in which we are conducting our testing; I am not referring to our team but rather the totality of entities involved in requesting, testing, and promoting code into a production environment.  I realize this is not news that I disagree and I will continue to raise this as a concern as long as I believe it continues to be problematic.  My analysis is attached</p></blockquote>
<p>In a nutshell, all the ways in which a software implementation could go wrong I believe went wrong (WAY wrong) with Health Connect.  </p>
<p>Saying this out loud is a &#8220;bold&#8221; thing to do but there is much much more that can (and should) be said. </p>
<p>But, if you believed that someone just stood by and watched your baby die would you maybe, just maybe, have an &#8220;agenda&#8221;.  Well, based on that logic, I have an agenda with Kaiser Permanente.  More, hopefully, yet to come . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/18/george-halvorson-we-really-did-screw-up/#comment-21069</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 12:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"We're all waiting for karma to kick in, and when it finally does it will be a beautiful thing."

You took the words right out of my mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re all waiting for karma to kick in, and when it finally does it will be a beautiful thing.&#8221;</p>
<p>You took the words right out of my mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/18/george-halvorson-we-really-did-screw-up/#comment-21065</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 04:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no creature lower than a Kaiser Permanente lawyer.  They walk around so full of themselves it's a wonder their heads don't explode.

It doesn't seem possible that they could win considering the outcome of the CMS investigation, but in the Kaiser alternate universe where they routinely falsify documentation to back up their cases, I guess anything could happen. JMO

We're all waiting for karma to kick in, and when it finally does it will be a beautiful thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no creature lower than a Kaiser Permanente lawyer.  They walk around so full of themselves it&#8217;s a wonder their heads don&#8217;t explode.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem possible that they could win considering the outcome of the CMS investigation, but in the Kaiser alternate universe where they routinely falsify documentation to back up their cases, I guess anything could happen. JMO</p>
<p>We&#8217;re all waiting for karma to kick in, and when it finally does it will be a beautiful thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark K.</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/18/george-halvorson-we-really-did-screw-up/#comment-21064</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 04:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am one of those transplant victims and one of the many lawsuit participants. I've been hearing around Sacramento that Kaiser lawyers think this is a "slamdunk"for them. My feeling is these lawyers for us wouldn't have taken this on if they didn't think we would win. What do you think my fellow transplant victims</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of those transplant victims and one of the many lawsuit participants. I&#8217;ve been hearing around Sacramento that Kaiser lawyers think this is a &#8220;slamdunk&#8221;for them. My feeling is these lawyers for us wouldn&#8217;t have taken this on if they didn&#8217;t think we would win. What do you think my fellow transplant victims</p>
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