Comments on: Introducing eKaiser Insurance Sucks.com http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/ Kaiser Permanente: Failure to Thrive -- A Managed Care Watch Web Site Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:08:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Student http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-23502 Student Mon, 22 Oct 2007 00:03:14 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-23502 You could reach more people if you put up posters at colleges. Even though humans are not going to be here forever, while we are here, we should take care of each other to the best of our abilities. You could reach more people if you put up posters at colleges.

Even though humans are not going to be here forever, while we are here, we should take care of each other to the best of our abilities.

]]> By: Admin http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-21210 Admin Fri, 01 Jun 2007 18:06:33 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-21210 Yes, health care is a nightmare for all but the very richest in this country, even those with insurance. I follow health care issues in general so I am aware of many horror stories that occur outside of Kaiser. What makes Kaiser unique is its closed system. It's similar to what happens when one political party controls the entire federal government. Absolute power corrupts, and it's impossible to get a fair shake at Kaiser because everyone is in on the scam. You can't even count on the integrity of your medical records because Kaiser controls all of the evidence, and alters it at will. It's difficult for outsiders to believe, and I probably wouldn't believe it myself if it hadn't happened to me, and if I hadn't heard hundreds of similar stories since then. Our purpose here is to point out the pattern so changes will occur. Kaiser has been paying a lot of lip service to issues of transparency and culture change recently. If I ever see any real evidence that they are doing anything more than talking about it, it will be my pleasure to report it here. But I won't be holding my breath. Have you heard the joke: How can you tell if a Kaiser spokesperson is lying? Well..... his lips are moving of course! hardy har har har :lol: Yes, health care is a nightmare for all but the very richest in this country, even those with insurance. I follow health care issues in general so I am aware of many horror stories that occur outside of Kaiser.

What makes Kaiser unique is its closed system. It’s similar to what happens when one political party controls the entire federal government. Absolute power corrupts, and it’s impossible to get a fair shake at Kaiser because everyone is in on the scam.

You can’t even count on the integrity of your medical records because Kaiser controls all of the evidence, and alters it at will. It’s difficult for outsiders to believe, and I probably wouldn’t believe it myself if it hadn’t happened to me, and if I hadn’t heard hundreds of similar stories since then. Our purpose here is to point out the pattern so changes will occur.

Kaiser has been paying a lot of lip service to issues of transparency and culture change recently. If I ever see any real evidence that they are doing anything more than talking about it, it will be my pleasure to report it here. But I won’t be holding my breath.

Have you heard the joke: How can you tell if a Kaiser spokesperson is lying? Well….. his lips are moving of course!
hardy har har har :lol:

]]> By: a nonymous http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-21209 a nonymous Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:44:48 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-21209 fascinating thread. i work for kaiser. "not for profit" is a ridiculous term, i agree. but truly, kaiser isn't the only one with the problem.. .entropy is slaughtering all the health care in this country, and along with it, our citizens. what is wrong with that picture? as sick as the kaiser system may be, show me a better one (Aetna, Blue Cross, etc). . .?? because i am in health care i know horror stories about those groups too, the only difference in which is the name of the group. i do NOT write to 'get kaiser off the hook'- - they need to be on the hook!! the $ they spend on IT and advertising is obscene, and comes directly at the expense of patient care and staffing. it is shameful. but equally shameful is the USA's complete dearth of a solution for those who suffer. . .that would be, to a greater or lesser extent, all of us. fascinating thread. i work for kaiser. “not for profit” is a ridiculous term, i agree. but truly, kaiser isn’t the only one with the problem.. .entropy is slaughtering all the health care in this country, and along with it, our citizens. what is wrong with that picture? as sick as the kaiser system may be, show me a better one (Aetna, Blue Cross, etc). . .?? because i am in health care i know horror stories about those groups too, the only difference in which is the name of the group. i do NOT write to ‘get kaiser off the hook’- - they need to be on the hook!! the $ they spend on IT and advertising is obscene, and comes directly at the expense of patient care and staffing. it is shameful. but equally shameful is the USA’s complete dearth of a solution for those who suffer. . .that would be, to a greater or lesser extent, all of us.

]]> By: Attacked http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-21186 Attacked Tue, 29 May 2007 18:55:49 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-21186 Well put Admin. It's all about money in kaisers world. I personally found out the hard way how true this is. This website is an accurate and much needed resource for enlightening the public about what kaiser really is about. Well put Admin. It’s all about money in kaisers world. I personally found out the hard way how true this is. This website is an accurate and much needed resource for enlightening the public about what kaiser really is about.

]]> By: Admin http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-21135 Admin Sat, 26 May 2007 04:26:42 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-21135 While I don't disagree that we need universal health care in this country, some of the points you have made here are misleading. 1. Kaiser does receive federal funds 2. Kaiser's not for profit status is bogus because of the deceptive organizational structure and financial arrangement with the FOR PROFIT Permanente Medical Groups (the doctors). Half of the money goes to them, therefore there is an implied incentive to deny care. 3. The whole concept of insurance is built on the premise of risk-sharing, meaning the well are paying for care of the sick. The perversion of the system has come from greedy insurance companies covering only the well, dumping the sick, and keeping all the money...yes, even Kaiser. 4. Medical care is a human right, and denying it to sick people is murder. 5. "Attacking" is an interesting word to have chosen. Many people have the same misconceptions about health care and Kaiser that you do, and that won't change unless someone informs them otherwise. While I don’t disagree that we need universal health care in this country, some of the points you have made here are misleading.

1. Kaiser does receive federal funds

2. Kaiser’s not for profit status is bogus because of the deceptive organizational structure and financial arrangement with the FOR PROFIT Permanente Medical Groups (the doctors). Half of the money goes to them, therefore there is an implied incentive to deny care.

3. The whole concept of insurance is built on the premise of risk-sharing, meaning the well are paying for care of the sick. The perversion of the system has come from greedy insurance companies covering only the well, dumping the sick, and keeping all the money…yes, even Kaiser.

4. Medical care is a human right, and denying it to sick people is murder.

5. “Attacking” is an interesting word to have chosen. Many people have the same misconceptions about health care and Kaiser that you do, and that won’t change unless someone informs them otherwise.

]]> By: disagree http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-21133 disagree Fri, 25 May 2007 20:02:08 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-21133 I am a Kaiser member and while I am not crazy about Kaiser service, I take exception to some of the comments above - specifically - Kaiser should not care about preexisting conditions - Kaiser is a non profit, not funded by uncle Sam HMO- if they accept everyone - guess who is paying for it - the ones who are healthy and are looking for "Insurance" - Kaiser is not a social welfare organization - if you want to fix the system - do not take it out on Kaiser - the problem is the uncle Sam - until we address health care for all as a national problem attacking Kaiser is not going to fix anything I am a Kaiser member and while I am not crazy about Kaiser service, I take exception to some of the comments above - specifically - Kaiser should not care about preexisting conditions - Kaiser is a non profit, not funded by uncle Sam HMO- if they accept everyone - guess who is paying for it - the ones who are healthy and are looking for “Insurance” - Kaiser is not a social welfare organization - if you want to fix the system - do not take it out on Kaiser - the problem is the uncle Sam - until we address health care for all as a national problem attacking Kaiser is not going to fix anything

]]> By: DustysSweety http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-21106 DustysSweety Wed, 23 May 2007 02:47:40 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-21106 I agree Kaiser is horrid. I recently tried to switch from a group plan back to a family plan so i could have a laparoscopy done and they denied my coverage but covered my husband and 2 children. I then told them to re evaluate and they still denied me saying the reason was :Pending for a Laparoscopy surgery for ovarian cyst and ovarian cyst. Thrive my ass if they wanted patients to thrive they would not tell them they needed surgery and then deny them for coverage. I agree Kaiser is horrid. I recently tried to switch from a group plan back to a family plan so i could have a laparoscopy done and they denied my coverage but covered my husband and 2 children. I then told them to re evaluate and they still denied me saying the reason was :Pending for a Laparoscopy surgery for ovarian cyst and ovarian cyst. Thrive my ass if they wanted patients to thrive they would not tell them they needed surgery and then deny them for coverage.

]]> By: Admin http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-20999 Admin Mon, 14 May 2007 18:01:10 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-20999 ...and tell you to eat some <a href="http://www.kaiserthrive.org/kaiser-thrive-ad-parodies/" rel="nofollow">broccoli</a>... …and tell you to eat some broccoli…

]]> By: anonymous http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-20995 anonymous Sun, 13 May 2007 00:59:37 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-20995 To Anon: You've given us an excellent template from which to write our legislators. To DS: See, they don't want any sick patients at all. If you asked for preventative care instead, want to bet they'd give you the name of a nearby Kaiser clinic? To Anon: You’ve given us an excellent template from which to write our legislators.

To DS: See, they don’t want any sick patients at all. If you asked for preventative care instead, want to bet they’d give you the name of a nearby Kaiser clinic?

]]> By: anonymous http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-20989 anonymous Sat, 12 May 2007 08:17:05 +0000 http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2007/05/11/introducing-ekaiser-insurance-suckscom/#comment-20989 At the same time we are exposing and testifying to the bloody, ugly, underbelly of Kaiser, we should all also be doing whatever we can to tell our politicians that we demand single payer standardized medical services on a national level: health care that is equally available to everyone, paid with tax dollars, a system in which no doctor can refuse to treat any patient and no clinic or hospital (such as Kaiser) can refuse to accept any patient regardless of whatever illness or condition they have. This means we would have no use or need whatsoever for medical insurance, the middlemen who make such obscene profits, no need for permission to see a specialist, no limits on care to boost profits. (The limits should be only for medically justifiable reasons, such as procedures that are wasteful and dangerous.) I'm talking about a system like every other modern country has, in which the main purpose is health care, not profits for wealthy doctors and insurance companies and Kaiser executives. Such a system would actually be more cost-effective than what we now have: a system that is broken in which uninsured people go to emergency rooms because they cannot get less costly care before the condition gets worse. At the same time we are exposing and testifying to the bloody, ugly, underbelly of Kaiser, we should all also be doing whatever we can to tell our politicians that we demand single payer standardized medical services on a national level: health care that is equally available to everyone, paid with tax dollars, a system in which no doctor can refuse to treat any patient and no clinic or hospital (such as Kaiser) can refuse to accept any patient regardless of whatever illness or condition they have. This means we would have no use or need whatsoever for medical insurance, the middlemen who make such obscene profits, no need for permission to see a specialist, no limits on care to boost profits. (The limits should be only for medically justifiable reasons, such as procedures that are wasteful and dangerous.) I’m talking about a system like every other modern country has, in which the main purpose is health care, not profits for wealthy doctors and insurance companies and Kaiser executives. Such a system would actually be more cost-effective than what we now have: a system that is broken in which uninsured people go to emergency rooms because they cannot get less costly care before the condition gets worse.

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