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		<title>By: Kaiser Permanente Thrive Exposed &#187; The Wall Street Journal talks to Justen Deal</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2006/11/04/internal-rumblings-at-kp/#comment-20527</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaiser Permanente Thrive Exposed &#187; The Wall Street Journal talks to Justen Deal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 17:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Page one of today's Wall Street Journal has an article on the email I sent on November 3, along with a look at the events leading up to and following it. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Page one of today&#8217;s Wall Street Journal has an article on the email I sent on November 3, along with a look at the events leading up to and following it. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ANOTHER Kaiser VICTIM</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2006/11/04/internal-rumblings-at-kp/#comment-13938</link>
		<dc:creator>ANOTHER Kaiser VICTIM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 18:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is this i*iot?

He obviously hasn't caught on yet about Kaiser.

I wonder if he uses Kaiser for his healthcare.

Let's hope he is healthy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who is this i*iot?</p>
<p>He obviously hasn&#8217;t caught on yet about Kaiser.</p>
<p>I wonder if he uses Kaiser for his healthcare.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope he is healthy!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Thompson</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2006/11/04/internal-rumblings-at-kp/#comment-13915</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2007 06:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does your Vagina Hurt!!

&lt;em&gt;[Posted by a Kaiser employee; Work IP: 162.119.64.112; Home IP: 67.160.219.43; email: &lt;a href="mailto:bilthompson@yahoo.com"&gt;billthompson@yahoo.com&lt;/a&gt;]&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does your Vagina Hurt!!</p>
<p><em>[Posted by a Kaiser employee; Work IP: 162.119.64.112; Home IP: 67.160.219.43; email: <a href="mailto:bilthompson@yahoo.com">billthompson@yahoo.com</a>]</em></p>
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		<title>By: Kaiser Permanente Thrive Exposed &#187; More trouble in HealthConnect land?</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2006/11/04/internal-rumblings-at-kp/#comment-13458</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaiser Permanente Thrive Exposed &#187; More trouble in HealthConnect land?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Feb 2007 20:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] [kaiserthrive.org editor&#8217;s note: The following was sent to us by a Kaiser Permanente HealthConnect employee, who reported these procedural and ethics violations to Compliance, but as usual nothing was done (a la Justen Deal). The Compliance Hotline is a well known internal joke to Kaiser employees. When a problem is reported, the information provided in the report is used in the investigative process to cover up whatever the issue was that you complained about, rather than to address the problem. The result is always the same: an investigation that finds no violations. Interestingly, we have received several complaints about one of the worst offenders mentioned below &#8212; Implementation Lead, Vijaya Rogers &#8212; who was personally involved in a huge financial corruption scandal while employed at a non-profit, prior to obtaining her position at Kaiser. It is often asked where Kaiser finds all of these corrupt managers, and now we know.] [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] [kaiserthrive.org editor&#8217;s note: The following was sent to us by a Kaiser Permanente HealthConnect employee, who reported these procedural and ethics violations to Compliance, but as usual nothing was done (a la Justen Deal). The Compliance Hotline is a well known internal joke to Kaiser employees. When a problem is reported, the information provided in the report is used in the investigative process to cover up whatever the issue was that you complained about, rather than to address the problem. The result is always the same: an investigation that finds no violations. Interestingly, we have received several complaints about one of the worst offenders mentioned below &#8212; Implementation Lead, Vijaya Rogers &#8212; who was personally involved in a huge financial corruption scandal while employed at a non-profit, prior to obtaining her position at Kaiser. It is often asked where Kaiser finds all of these corrupt managers, and now we know.] [...]</p>
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		<title>By: harold g marx</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2006/11/04/internal-rumblings-at-kp/#comment-11867</link>
		<dc:creator>harold g marx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 07:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aloha, PR expendatures don't always create the goal when rules of the coverage are changed and the members suffer seemingly high cost over-rides. Our recent high end plan left a surprize $16000 bill representing 20% of the cost. The whole idea of medical insurance was to stop the after shocks of injury. $6000+ was 3 pt blood and processing.  Howabout, some back credit for past and future blood donation?  I only fell out of a tree and now I'm selling the farm before I'm up the creek w/o a paddle.  Hey! I love you all for the help I received, but the playing field is off level. I hear there's a new plan when was it offered? Justen seems too busy to help me thru the web site I'll be wading through, Aloha, hgm that's a valid email site hgmarx@gmail.com now i see what justen is talking about</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aloha, PR expendatures don&#8217;t always create the goal when rules of the coverage are changed and the members suffer seemingly high cost over-rides. Our recent high end plan left a surprize $16000 bill representing 20% of the cost. The whole idea of medical insurance was to stop the after shocks of injury. $6000+ was 3 pt blood and processing.  Howabout, some back credit for past and future blood donation?  I only fell out of a tree and now I&#8217;m selling the farm before I&#8217;m up the creek w/o a paddle.  Hey! I love you all for the help I received, but the playing field is off level. I hear there&#8217;s a new plan when was it offered? Justen seems too busy to help me thru the web site I&#8217;ll be wading through, Aloha, hgm that&#8217;s a valid email site <a href="mailto:hgmarx@gmail.com">hgmarx@gmail.com</a> now i see what justen is talking about</p>
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		<title>By: Laola</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2006/11/04/internal-rumblings-at-kp/#comment-10821</link>
		<dc:creator>Laola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Nov 2006 00:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>launching a financial audit for KP ????? 

Wonderful idea!...

I 3rd the call for a full investigation &#38; financial audit of KP.(But not by another internal-bogus-investigation by Kaiser please. How about the Federal Government.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>launching a financial audit for KP ????? </p>
<p>Wonderful idea!&#8230;</p>
<p>I 3rd the call for a full investigation &amp; financial audit of KP.(But not by another internal-bogus-investigation by Kaiser please. How about the Federal Government.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kaiser Permanente Thrive Exposed &#187; Kaiser/Epic PR disguised as news</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2006/11/04/internal-rumblings-at-kp/#comment-10484</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaiser Permanente Thrive Exposed &#187; Kaiser/Epic PR disguised as news</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 10:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This latest article looks a lot like Kaiser/Epic PR disguised as news, and we find it extremely interesting that Justen Deal was not asked to participate. Another one of those moments that make you go hmm... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This latest article looks a lot like Kaiser/Epic PR disguised as news, and we find it extremely interesting that Justen Deal was not asked to participate. Another one of those moments that make you go hmm&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2006/11/04/internal-rumblings-at-kp/#comment-9465</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is our understanding too, that Justen is still on paid administrative leave. The comment by AdminL above isn't ours...I'm not sure why that person chose a name to comment with that is so close to mine, but hopefully it wasn't an attempt to mislead anyone.

We believe every word that Justen wrote in that email. We have been hearing complaints about Epic and HealthConnect and the waste for 3 years.  What we don't believe is that Dodd's resignation is not related.

Very interesting to hear Halvorson is corresponding with Justen after Kaiser has made every effort to represent him in the media and in internal memos as one misguided individual.  We find the internal stuff especially interesting because the employees they are trying to convince are very aware of the problems with the system that Justen pointed out. It's like the powers that be are trying to brainwash people into disbelieving what they know is true. Kaiser reminds me of the Church of Scientology in the way it operates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is our understanding too, that Justen is still on paid administrative leave. The comment by AdminL above isn&#8217;t ours&#8230;I&#8217;m not sure why that person chose a name to comment with that is so close to mine, but hopefully it wasn&#8217;t an attempt to mislead anyone.</p>
<p>We believe every word that Justen wrote in that email. We have been hearing complaints about Epic and HealthConnect and the waste for 3 years.  What we don&#8217;t believe is that Dodd&#8217;s resignation is not related.</p>
<p>Very interesting to hear Halvorson is corresponding with Justen after Kaiser has made every effort to represent him in the media and in internal memos as one misguided individual.  We find the internal stuff especially interesting because the employees they are trying to convince are very aware of the problems with the system that Justen pointed out. It&#8217;s like the powers that be are trying to brainwash people into disbelieving what they know is true. Kaiser reminds me of the Church of Scientology in the way it operates.</p>
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		<title>By: ST Thrift</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2006/11/04/internal-rumblings-at-kp/#comment-9464</link>
		<dc:creator>ST Thrift</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Justen Deal is STILL an employee of Kaiser Permanente - on PAID administrative leave.  Dodd - john, clifford or otherwise is not.

George Halvorson is exchanging emails with Mr. Deal which means that Mr. Deal is not some crackpot.  

How many people have to be forced into retirement or job eliminated before the government finally sees another ENRON situation and does something about it.  Let's ask the Hawaii people how they feel.  Better yet - How about the entire outsourced IT department.  CAN you say "EPIC support - let me put you on hold while I answer 4,000 other calls, thank you!"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Justen Deal is STILL an employee of Kaiser Permanente - on PAID administrative leave.  Dodd - john, clifford or otherwise is not.</p>
<p>George Halvorson is exchanging emails with Mr. Deal which means that Mr. Deal is not some crackpot.  </p>
<p>How many people have to be forced into retirement or job eliminated before the government finally sees another ENRON situation and does something about it.  Let&#8217;s ask the Hawaii people how they feel.  Better yet - How about the entire outsourced IT department.  CAN you say &#8220;EPIC support - let me put you on hold while I answer 4,000 other calls, thank you!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Admin</title>
		<link>http://www.kaiserthrive.org/2006/11/04/internal-rumblings-at-kp/#comment-9242</link>
		<dc:creator>Admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Nov 2006 21:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody believes Dodd's resignation was coincidence, contrary to head "issues management" weenie Matthew Schiffgens' claims that &lt;a href="http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/11/06/daily18.html" rel="nofollow" target=_blank"&gt;"The timing  is not fortuitous."&lt;/a&gt;  Please, Mr. Schiffgens, stop insulting our intelligence this way...your eyes are turning brown!

I 2nd the call for a full investigation &#038; financial audit of KP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody believes Dodd&#8217;s resignation was coincidence, contrary to head &#8220;issues management&#8221; weenie Matthew Schiffgens&#8217; claims that <a href="http://sacramento.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories/2006/11/06/daily18.html" rel="nofollow" target=_blank">&#8220;The timing  is not fortuitous.&#8221;</a>  Please, Mr. Schiffgens, stop insulting our intelligence this way&#8230;your eyes are turning brown!</p>
<p>I 2nd the call for a full investigation &#038; financial audit of KP.</p>
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